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Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:59 pm
by PARUS
Hi,

I just thinking to play with shock size. Sorry due to lack of english I tried to show all my thinking in picture. Please, correct me if I'm wrong...

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PS: There is no my bike. Sorry....

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:15 am
by squirrel_hunter
I'm not an expert but...

From my understanding points 1 + 2 are correct. If you raise the rear ride height you will effect the geometry (rake and trail) which will result in a faster turning, but reduced stability in a straight line. By how much depends on the difference in length of the shock that you are using. When I started playing around with my bikes suspension I took a look at some of the work that Tony Foale has done. Very interesting, worth a read and the programs to calculate rake and trail etc are useful as this is what you are altering.

As for point 3 you are incorrect. The firmness of the suspension is controlled by the stiffness of the spring, the damping rates (compression and rebound) and the pre load settings. Altering any of these will make the ride more or less hard. But I'm not a setup expert.

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:05 pm
by PARUS
squirrel_hunter wrote:I'm not an expert but...

From my understanding points 1 + 2 are correct. If you raise the rear ride height you will effect the geometry (rake and trail) which will result in a faster turning, but reduced stability in a straight line. By how much depends on the difference in length of the shock that you are using. When I started playing around with my bikes suspension I took a look at some of the work that Tony Foale has done. Very interesting, worth a read and the programs to calculate rake and trail etc are useful as this is what you are altering.

As for point 3 you are incorrect. The firmness of the suspension is controlled by the stiffness of the spring, the damping rates (compression and rebound) and the pre load settings. Altering any of these will make the ride more or less hard. But I'm not a setup expert.
How much reasonable changes shock size? I have checked and shock with size 310mm or maybe more will fit.

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:38 pm
by squirrel_hunter
It really depends on what you want to gain from doing this?

If its quicker turning then drop the forks through the yokes, there should be some information here on what is considered the best amount.

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:47 pm
by PARUS
Found following about suspension set-up.

http://www.gostar-racing.com/club/motor ... set-up.htm

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:10 pm
by yeurman
I run my bikes on different geometry, . wheel base is 135 mm on dry bike and 162mm on wet bike, with the dry bike having a 150mm spring and the wet 170mm spring. would be rude for me to give any more details... hope this helps. Col (NC29)

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:21 am
by PARUS
yeurman wrote:I run my bikes on different geometry, . wheel base is 135 mm on dry bike and 162mm on wet bike, with the dry bike having a 150mm spring and the wet 170mm spring. would be rude for me to give any more details... hope this helps. Col (NC29)

Thank you mate.. will check this on mine soon..

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:02 pm
by PARUS
yeurman wrote:I run my bikes on different geometry, . wheel base is 135 mm on dry bike and 162mm on wet bike, with the dry bike having a 150mm spring and the wet 170mm spring. would be rude for me to give any more details... hope this helps. Col (NC29)
Did you change wheel base just changing shock size? Correct ?

Re: Changing shock size. What's advantages/disadvantages?

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:47 am
by PARUS
yeurman wrote:I run my bikes on different geometry, . wheel base is 135 mm on dry bike and 162mm on wet bike, with the dry bike having a 150mm spring and the wet 170mm spring. would be rude for me to give any more details... hope this helps. Col (NC29)

I have changed wheel base little bit with help shock height adjustment.

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