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Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:27 am
by Neosophist
I don't even know where to start with this.

By failing to mention that you think the battery was knackered you wasted a lot of peoples times while they thought of possible reasons why it woulnd't work.

Always try the obvious FIRST then ask questions, or at least tell people you think something is wrong.

Anyhow. Back to the clocks, which you see to have no idea about.
xivlia wrote:this is so annoying.... i dont see why it cant pick up the signal.... what makes it so much more different than the stock tacho? ive tried every possible way of connecting the rpm wire... still no signal apart from the blue/white cable on the right side of the bike, while connected to that, it picks up the signal, but it shows me wrong numbers. :(
You seriously don't know why your having trouble? What planet do you actually come from, perhaps the reality there is a little different than on Earth?

Lets break it down.

Stock Tacho

The stock tacho was designed specifically for this bike in a Japanese factory by Japanese engineers using high quality componants, mostly if not exclusivly from Japan using decades of Honda research and design to make it both accurate and reliable.

This is the reason why it plugs straight onto the bikes wiring loom, the reason why it still works after 20 years and the reason why to buy a replacement from Honda will cost you 479 quid just for the tacho.

Cheap chinese tacho

Is designed as a generic fit to use on a variety of bikes, will not plug into the existing bike, built with the cheapest possible components by workers skilled just enough to put the components together, who knows what it was originally designed for, most likely the idea was stolen from a reputable maker (i.e KOSO) but reproduced poorly.

This is the reason why it cost 50 pounds to be deisnged, made and sent to your house, this is the reason that it isnt straightfoward to wire up and is also the reason why they break as soon as it rains or if you look at it funny.


Did you do any kind of research on this specific model? SS182 before buying it? Many people told you that you get what you pay for and that they are shit.

Even experienced people who have done this for years often struggle with cheap chinese knock offs.

A friend brought one of these all singing remote start car alarms from china about 10 years ago when they first started making knock offs of those, even a profesional alarm fitter with 20 years expereicne who knew many tricks about getting senesors and thigns to work couldnt sort it.

I really beleive without all the help and hard work from people on here you wouldn't have even got this far.

However, people who buy and use the KOSO which is a better made unversal dash often have pains getting it setup and calbrated for their bike, and that is documented well.

There must be someway to set the type of engine that this is being used on, have you emailed the supplier and asked them?

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:29 am
by iDemonix
And the moral of the story is:

Buy cheap. Buy twice.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:18 pm
by xivlia
Neo, i know, i wouldnt have gotten this far without the help of people on here.. im not a mechanic, im 20, and this is my first proper bike.. people are not born with the knowledge that you have. everyone has to start somewhere, i tend to learn by my mistakes.

anway, like i said, there is absolutely no way of setting the engine type on the clock, ive emailed them, and no replies, ive tried to speak to her on the alibaba trade manager, but shes always set to "away". once shes online, i will speak to her. but i am 100% sure you can not adjust the engine type on the clock.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:31 pm
by Neosophist
xivlia wrote:Neo, i know, i wouldnt have gotten this far without the help of people on here.. im not a mechanic, im 20, and this is my first proper bike.. people are not born with the knowledge that you have. everyone has to start somewhere, i tend to learn by my mistakes.

anway, like i said, there is absolutely no way of setting the engine type on the clock, ive emailed them, and no replies, ive tried to speak to her on the alibaba trade manager, but shes always set to "away". once shes online, i will speak to her. but i am 100% sure you can not adjust the engine type on the clock.
If you can't change the firing configuration then you probably can't use the RPM function.

I'm not trying to say that you are a mechanic or anything else.

I'm saying that you don't listen to anything people say, you seem to read it, acknowledge it and then do whatever you wanted to do in the first place.

Nobody expects you to be a master at anything but your like a goldfish, you keep going around in circles and repeating the same thing 5 seconds later.

Being 20 doesn't have a lot to do with it, there are plenty of young people on here that started with perhaps even less knowledge than you did, but with a bit of patience and thinking about things with some good explanations they all have working bikes.

Measure twice, cut once.

When everybody tells you not to buy something listen, ask for specifics if necessary but don't ask for advice and then do whatever you were going to do in the first place regardless.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:56 pm
by xivlia
yeah i suppose.... anyway, going back to the subject.

i connected the rpm signal to the primary ignition coil. and still not working. it seems its not gonna work, and i will tell the chinese suppliers that its not working. also one more thing, after 5 seconds of connecting it to the primary igition coil, the bike cut off with a loud backfire. and the bike wont fire up anymore, but there is still spark on all four.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:50 pm
by Dynamohum
Ersan why persist with this it's not worth the bother pal.
If not to late get your money back and spend it on something more worthwhile like new plugs or put it towards a new chain you'll have a better sorted bike.
As said if it's giving this much hassle now it wouldn't inspire much confidence for later on knowing how wet the climate is up here.
And as neo rightly said it's probably made with low quality components that are guaranteed to fail . If you like digital multifunction clocks then buy a bike that comes with them as standard fitment, or if it's a must have then save up for the good ones.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:30 pm
by xivlia
davethetrucker wrote:Ersan why persist with this it's not worth the bother pal.
If not to late get your money back and spend it on something more worthwhile like new plugs or put it towards a new chain you'll have a better sorted bike.
As said if it's giving this much hassle now it wouldn't inspire much confidence for later on knowing how wet the climate is up here.
And as neo rightly said it's probably made with low quality components that are guaranteed to fail . If you like digital multifunction clocks then buy a bike that comes with them as standard fitment, or if it's a must have then save up for the good ones.

hehe yeah, that is exactly what ive done. ive reverted back to original clocks and i will contact the chinese guyss to see if they will accept a refund.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:46 pm
by Dynamohum
Goods not fit for purpose faulty and if you paid by PayPal or credit card and seller refuses refund contact them.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:52 pm
by iDemonix
Good luck with that, the product they have sent will likely work, it's just a crap product!

With products like these, what you see is what you get and as I said before - buy cheap, buy twice.

Also, stop making excuses regarding age etc. I bought my VFR400 NC30 when I was 19 (I'm 22 now) and I didn't even have a socket set - literally NO mechanical knowledge, didn't even know what a HT lead was.

I've changed the engine, suspension, exhaust, swingarm, clutch, re-wired the front headlights etc and I have a perfect working NC30 - because I do everything by the book, take the advice offered to me and do everything in a slow and meticulous way. Sometimes it's tough, like with weird electrical problems, but it's worth spending the 6 hours in a garage overnight, documenting what every wire does and replacing all the broken parts, so that you end up with a very well working system, rather than quickly bodging a fix that will fail a month later.

Every time I offer to take this bike off your hands you say you just want a 400 to ride or 'I just want to ride the fucking thing', but here you are dicking about with chinese Koso copies and swapping the fairings for uglier ones that devalue the bike even further.

Re: NC30 clock change and no start.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:09 pm
by xivlia
you offer to take the bike off my hands for a pack of haribos....

anway... i need to see if i fucked up my rear coil by connecting the rpm cable to the primary coil.. as the bike will not start.