sorry yeah i meant piston rings. and also can the valve clearances cause any oil burning issues, if the clearance is wrong, what else can happen to the bike?

the only known problem on my bike is, that stupid jamming issue, which im hoping my 3rd battery and 3rd reg/rec will fix.... and the fact that the bike runs and cuts off after a few minutes, and it runs like its in 2 cylinders. i am thinking thats the plug issue, when the bike is fuly warmed up the plugs are fucking about, this hapend on my old plugs. and the last problem is the fuel tap, which i will replace with a working one.

So the 'only' problem is -
It normally doesn't start.
If it does start, it only runs on 2 cylinders.
If it runs, then it doesn't run for long.
When it's running briefly, it's smokey as hell.

Yeah, no big deal as you say....

alexwitham wrote:Ok, start off by going to Halfords and asking for:

spirit level bubbles
an adjustable tape measure
a rubber ratchet
some basic mechanical skills
a tin of tartan paint

All that should be a little over £50, just right to get you going me ol' china.

You forgot about these-
A left-handed screwdriver
A long weight
A 12" repopulating tool

vic-vtrvfr wrote:

alexwitham wrote:Ok, start off by going to Halfords and asking for:

spirit level bubbles
an adjustable tape measure
a rubber ratchet
some basic mechanical skills
a tin of tartan paint

All that should be a little over £50, just right to get you going me ol' china.

You forgot about these-
A left-handed screwdriver
A long weight
A 12" repopulating tool

Funny bastards :')

Hire a van, strap your bike in it. Get your dad to drive it if you cant.

Take it to Thunderace.

Go home with a fixed bike and some experience.

All for the cost of a good toolset.....unless of course he wants a £1 for every problem sorted, then it could get v expensive.

Ersan - start at the start mate. don't get carried away trying to fix faults that are not there.

1: if your fuel tap leaks it can leak into the cylinders, causing the bike to jam.
2: if the fuel is leaking in, then obviously the plugs are getting flooded.

fix that first.

then you can have a bike that starts.

Smoking - you are revving it's arse off in neutral aren't you? Stop it..

If it is smoking enough to see when riding you have a problem, if not, don't worry about it. Just be sure you have enough oil in it (not too much - as this is expelled out the breather into the airbox and is then burned..making smoke...)

For the price of gaskets and tools you could send the bike to me or steve (thinderace) and it can be sorted out and sent back - £99 each way for transport usually.

Sort out the fuel tap first - I feel this is the main problem and is causing the others.

if you want an engine to take to pieces, I can send you one of my broken ones..

CMSMJ1 wrote:Ersan - start at the start mate. don't get carried away trying to fix faults that are not there.

1: if your fuel tap leaks it can leak into the cylinders, causing the bike to jam.
2: if the fuel is leaking in, then obviously the plugs are getting flooded.

fix that first.

then you can have a bike that starts.

Smoking - you are revving it's arse off in neutral aren't you? Stop it..

If it is smoking enough to see when riding you have a problem, if not, don't worry about it. Just be sure you have enough oil in it (not too much - as this is expelled out the breather into the airbox and is then burned..making smoke...)

For the price of gaskets and tools you could send the bike to me or steve (thinderace) and it can be sorted out and sent back - £99 each way for transport usually.

Sort out the fuel tap first - I feel this is the main problem and is causing the others.

if you want an engine to take to pieces, I can send you one of my broken ones..

thank you, i will fix the fuel tap issue first, and then trace the remaining problem, which will be inspecting the plugs, like you said, if the fuel is leaking itl fill the cylinders and kill plugs.

and it wouldnt be a bad idea to send a broken engine for me to take apart! , how much will the postage be? 99 quid or so?

xivlia wrote:okay, but i need to know if the bikes gaskets are fine or not, because its burning oil. and the only explanation is probably gaskets. can i check for gaskets without dropping the engine?

Listen to all the experienced people who have either done something similar or know more about the engines.

Spend the money on a Van and take the bike to somebody who has offered their help. Buy them many beers after they've fixed it and watch everything like a hawk.

Your approach isn't good.

It's like treating mild hearburn by doing an open heart surgery bypass.

Fix all the problems first:

Get it running as it should. This should not require an engine strip.

I recall a thread where you said you'd used the same oil so many times it was like water? If this is the case then I suspect you've already ruined the engine or at the least done some serious damage to it.

Strip wise, a gasket kit is going to cost you nearly 100 quid for a 3rd pary copy.

Then you need to look at causes for oil leaks.

Worn rings:

Rings are around 30quid a set per cylinder.

If your bores are worn too much then there is virtually 0 chance of oversize pistons so the engines scrap.

Valve stem seals can leak, there around 8 quid each and there are 16 of them.. if one has failed then it's stupid not to change them all (also costly too)

To do the job properly your going to need a variety of sockets, a decent set of torque wrenches, full gakset kit and possible rings and valve stem seals.

the biggest thing though is you need to know what your doing.

If you reaplce everything your just throwing money away. If you reassemble it wrong then theres a huge chance you'll explode the engine.

I'd budget at least 500 quid for parts and tools if you want to strip a 30 engine and have no tools.

Instead i'd do what everyone has told you for a long while. Take it to somebody who knows the bikes, get them to do a full service on it and check everything properly.

You shouldn't need to buy buying 3 regulator and 3 of this and x of that.

Isn't there something in your head that should be telling you that you've done all you can.. you keep donig x y z and it's not getting better?

Get someone else to sort it and learn from them.

A broken engine is going to be about 30 quid pallet posted.

yea i understand that, but the mechanics are charging me well over 200 quid just to inspect the whole bike. i cant even imagine, the cost of everything when they fix it all up... im sure someone could take a look at it for me on here, for cheaper, but everone is down south. and i dont have a car license to hire any sort of van to take the bike down to them. i really dont know what to do. :\

you can pick up lots of good quality second hand tools at car boot sales , my mrs's step dad usually finds me little gems , he picked me up a nice vice last time fer feck all

you can arrange a courier to collect the bike and deliver it to who ever is offering to sort out the bike , then do the same to return it back to you , it will be loads cheaper than buying tools or dropping it in a garage where they will just bodge it anyway