rvf model info

[micpec]

Not sure for the differences bit good point from Mo Haggs. There are actually uk SPEC
NC35s imported officially from Japan with white kph marks and in blue mph marks in one speedo (or vice versa) I remember the NC35 from member Craig see his website http://www.rvf400.co.uk if still pics on there. Is this rt-II?

[mo haggs]

Fuckin bickity bam. And there's your answer.

[Davez29]

The mystery continues with me, until im 100% sure, lol. Afterall where does the nc29 two speedos come into this?it was only JDM?? Im still wondering if this was an option or a legallity on some parts of Japan. I also wonder if it was an option or legallity why no nc29 has been seen with a dual speedo. Good post mo, its lead me on a new quest for both bikes.

[mo haggs]

einstein asked lots of questions, i'm not the most intelligent but if i were a cat i'd prob be dead by now

[Neosophist]

I agree there will be minor changes but why do the nc29 and the nc35 have two types of speedos? I believe this is the main change responsible for the "ll" designation as its the only thing common to these two bikes reading the fiche. May be not related but the nc29 was priced different in different parts of Japan.

Why do you say the NC29 was priced differently / where did you hear that? (http://www.honda.co.jp/news/1993/2931119.html)

Honda say it had a flat-rate cost suggest retail of 739,000円 nationwide, if different shops sold it differently it would be down to them but nothing specifically to do with the location in Japan.

I'm pretty sure it's just a revision thing.

Speedo wise the NC30 has 4 listed. One for europe, one for UK and 2 for Japan, the Japanese ones are both fitted to all bikes too. I believe there probably made by a different company, i'll check the 'type column' notes later when I can get a parts book. I don't think they were changed.

NC30 model info:

VFR400R (VFR400RIII-K) Original Type 1
VFR400R (VFR400RIII-K-II) Seed Type 2

VFR400R (VFR400RIII-L) Types 3,4 and 5.

VFR400R (VFR400RIII-N) Type 6
VFR400R (VFR400RIII-N-II) Type 7

VFR400R (VFR400RIII-N-III) Type 8
VFR400R (VFR400RIII-N-IV) Type 8

[Davez29]

Sorry cant remember where i read that but i will check next time im on a pc, using my phone now so cant really browse and convert Japanese. Yes it is a revision type of thing but cosidering it was in both models of nc35 it was not an upgrade over time it was specific as in version l and version ll of both the RR and RT. Its not a big deal but i will try to find out somehow as thats what this post is about. Maybe a letter to mr Honda? There is someone on this site who can speak Japanese, perhaps he can check it out and clear it up? Jaicen where are you?

The problem i have with the standard upgrade route as suggested is that i expect there is at least a year difference between the RR and the RT if so why would they upgrade the RR to RR-ll then downgrade the RT with the earlier speedo then upgrade it again with the later speedo, calling it the RT-ll. It does not make sense and it seems more likely these were parallel and sold at the same time to slightly differing markets.

Just a thought and just a wild idea but if those dual face speedos existed on the "ll" JDM bikes they could have been put on bikes destined for somewhere like Okinawa. As you have a large American base there and lots of bored soldiers with money to burn (and can possibly only understand mph) ok a slim chance but you never know.

Its one bogey i have never been able to solve on my bike (why two speedos, one for the R and one for the R-ll? The only difference in the fiche) so hopefully the collective powers of many can solve this puzzle.

[Neosophist]

Sorry cant remember where i read that but i will check next time im on a pc, using my phone now so cant really browse and convert Japanese. Yes it is a revision type of thing but cosidering it was in both models of nc35 it was not an upgrade over time it was specific as in version l and version ll of both the RR and RT. Its not a big deal but i will try to find out somehow as thats what this post is about. Maybe a letter to mr Honda? There is someone on this site who can speak Japanese, perhaps he can check it out and clear it up? Jaicen where are you?

Just a thought and just a wild idea but if those dual face speedos existed on the "ll" JDM bikes they could have been put on bikes destined for somewhere like Okinawa. As you have a large American base there and lots of bored soldiers with money to burn (and can possibly only understand mph) ok a slim chance but you never know.

Its one bogey i have never been able to solve on my bike (why two speedos, one for the R and one for the R-ll? The only difference in the fiche) so hopefully the collective powers of many can solve this puzzle.

No chance at all of the Okinawa thing. Speedo's have to be in km/h. I've just got in so i'll have a look at the parts book now, it tells you what models the speedo's were used on.

It does NOT necessarily imply two parallel versions and It can still be a revision over time and I still believe that is the case.


The RH model (1987) had different jets to the RH-II model (same year though!) Half way through the batch they must have decided to change something, it's not hard to see that they would do this with the first and second year RVF's.

The only way to identify the RH from the RH-II at sight is by frame number.

RH go from frame NC24-1000000xxxx to NC24-100000000xxx and RH-II are from NC24-1005xxxxx ->

The NC35 will be the same, I'm trying to find a parts book to read the frame codes and other information from so I can tell you what the differences were.

Not sure for the differences bit good point from Mo Haggs. There are actually uk SPEC
NC35s imported officially from Japan with white kph marks and in blue mph marks in one speedo (or vice versa) I remember the NC35 from member Craig see his website http://www.rvf400.co.uk if still pics on there. Is this rt-II?

It isn't a UK spec RVF, regardless of what the owner says.

It's just a JDM bike with a new speedo on there from 'RE-Dial UK' they've gone out of business now but many importers used to use them to re-face the speedo's of the bikes, some people on here have the same face on their NC30 clocks.

They were 29gbp when you could buy them.

Other clues is that the licence plate holder is a stock Japanese one that's been drilled a little, theres no red-reflector or any other UK required stuff on it. The engine oil filler label is also in Japanese which is a dead give away.

To sum up:

I believe the -I -II is a revision list NOT a parellel model. (I'm waiting a parts book to confirm this with 30/35 but for the NC24 there are a later range of frame numbers for the RH-II model than the RH.)

Spedo wise, (again waiting for parts book but to confirm) BUT the parts book lists two speedos' for the Japanese bikes, but only L,M and N models, not their revisions (I,II,III and IV) so the revision number had No difference on choice of speedo, also the two types of speedo were used on all models. The fiches specifiec a type code for the bike that I can cross-check to find out what speedo went on what bike but it's most likely a minor difference, such as manufacturers, as an example (the N30 used a flywheel from two different manufacturers) will not be markings in mph etc [think of the amount of nc30's and nc35's, nc29's etc in the UK, nobody has ever notcied any difference with their speedo's so the different part numbers will be someting minor]

Will get back to you after I finish looking.

[Davez29]

Good one :-) i was editing my my post while you were quoting me so things may be different from tje quoted text above. The parts book is linked on the first post of this thread. I do agree its odd that no different speedos have ever been noted.

[Neosophist]

Good one :-) i was editing my my post while you were quoting me so things may be different from tje quoted text above. The parts book is linked on the first post of this thread.

Awesome, i'll have a read now.

Just to answer this.

The problem i have with the standard upgrade route as suggested is that i expect there is at least a year difference between the RR and the RT if so why would they upgrade the RR to RR-ll then downgrade the RT with the earlier speedo then upgrade it again with the later speedo, calling it the RT-ll. It does not make sense and it seems more likely these were parallel and sold at the same time to slightly differing markets.

Right:

First 1993 model: RR
Revised 1993 model : RR-II

First model 1994: RT
Revised 1994 mode: RT-II

They havn't downgraded or upgraded anything.

I said ealier (perhaps it wasn't clear..) That I think your onto a misnomer with the speedo, as in it wasn't ever changed or revised.

I was trying to make it clear ealier but perhaps I failed! (sorry!) The same applied with the NC30.. which the later revisions definatly have some changes like jets / suspension etc it appears that the two speedos were used on all models.

Why they had two speedos' I don't know yet, perhaps different manufacturers of some parts, or something hardly noticable.. i'll see what the parts book says. It certain they were not an upgrade becuase of the interchangabiltiy. Perhaps as is common, Honda used whatever was available at the time for each batch of bikes.

Nobody has really noticed any difference between speedos' and i've never heard of anyone not being able to fit a replacement speedo from another bike (which possibly had the different part number speedo) so it must be something mundane!

Will read the parts book now..

[Neosophist]

That scan is missing information I need from the book in the first few pages

Theres an RVF at my local bike shop, i'll go in the morning as I need to get some bits anyway.

For now though.

[J] 37200-MR8-901 - You can still buy this (220gbp)
[2J] 37200-MR8-911 - Not listed!?

From what I can see, J and 2J are different type codes (area!?)

Hopefully it'll tell me what they are anyway... :)