banoffee wrote:working a treat here, meant to be floppy until you instert it

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Thanks lads it's the first time that I have used or owned this type of stand so I wasn't sure if they were meant to be that way or not They are good value and sometimes this dealer has them on a discount on ebay, I got mine for £50 with the extra pin included. Extra pins are £6 each.
cheers for the help